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BookTalk: Maas Destruction in the Maas Universe

• Jordan • Season 1 • Episode 17

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A Beginner-To-Diehard Tour Of Sarah J. Maas: Where To Start, What To Skip, And Why Throne Of Glass Reigns

p.s. this episode is filled with SPOILERS!!

The Maas-verse can feel like a beautiful trapdoor—you think you’re sampling a single series and suddenly you’re free-falling through worlds, prophecies, and characters you can’t stop thinking about. We invited back the friend who first pushed us into A Court of Thorns and Roses to map the entire journey: how to start, what to savor, and when to brace for emotional whiplash.

We dig into why Throne of Glass remains our gold standard for scope and payoff, and how ACOTAR’s first-person POV makes fantasy accessible for new readers. Expect passionate takes on favorites like Queen of Shadows, Kingdom of Ash, and Heir of Fire; a love letter to Manon and Dorian; and a candid look at the craft that makes “simple” prose a myth. We also get into the hot-button stuff: Tower of Dawn’s importance, whether tandem reading helps or hurts, and how official marketing around [redacted] undercut a once-in-a-decade twist for many fans.

Ready to reframe your journey through Sarah J. Maas’s worlds? Press play, bring your boldest theory, and tell us your definitive reading order. If you enjoy the show, follow, share with your fellow Maas fans, and leave a quick review—it helps more readers find us and keeps the multiverse talk going.

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Jordan:

I am bringing back a special someone. So you've already heard her before in an interview. But this is the girl that got me to read Sarah J. Mass. And I wanted her back to do an all-encompassing Sarah J. Moss, the Moss Universe, mass moss, wait, moss destruction. And um welcome. Hi Kelly. Hi. What's up? What's up? Um not not much. Uh okay, but before we dive into Sarah, all about Sarah. Um what is the highlight of your week so far?

Kelly:

Highlight of my week. I have like a two-parter. Oh, yes. Um yesterday was my set daughter's second birthday. So like that was really emotional. Um and also tonight, um her daycare is doing like a parents' night out thing. So she's gonna be there until 7 p.m. And we're uh as part of her birthday, we're redoing her bedroom, making giving her like a big girl bed. And we're like just gonna order out and like me and my husband will hang out and spend some time together. So it's gonna, it's gonna be a good day.

Jordan:

That sounds amazing, and it's like a Friday, like that is so cool.

Kelly:

We could have gone out to dinner and stuff for it, but we were just like, uh, it's not that much time. So yeah, I get that.

Jordan:

I get that, but like, oh, even like, oh, that's amazing.

Kelly:

Right? When I got that email that they wanted to do that, I was like, Yes, please immediately sign her up. I love her dearly, but please.

Jordan:

Please take her. I didn't even know daycare was like did that sort of thing.

Kelly:

I'd heard about it. Um, like daycare's doing that, but mine, like the one she went to never had. Um, but then they went under new management a couple months ago, and they've been starting to implement a lot of like really awesome stuff like this. And I'm like, Yeah.

Jordan:

I I love that. I love that. Um, okay, I want to dive into Sarah. Sarah J. Mas. Why we're all here. Honestly, but actually, um, okay, so I uh okay, years ago, like this is like pre-Bookstagram, pre-book talk, pre all that stuff. Honestly, actually pre-Tik tock, so pre-talk. Wow, I can't talk. Pre-talk. Yes. But we uh um I'm like friends with you. Yes, in real life. But you're the one that convinced me to read A Court of Thorns and Roses, which when I started reading that, I was like, what the heck did you get me into? Like this book is so fucking boring.

Kelly:

It was a long con because really I wanted you to read Throne of Glass.

Jordan:

But I'm glad you told me to read that one first because I think if I would have dived into Throne of Glass, I would have been so confused and I would have been mad and I would have just stopped. But A Court of Thrones and Roses is perfect to start with. Oh, I feel like we should let people know that this episode will be filled with spoilers. Yes.

Kelly:

So if you read all of the books, we're talking about all of it.

Jordan:

Yes. So like don't listen if you don't like spoilers. But yeah, if you don't mind them or you've read all the books, then please listen along. Um, but anyways, so like you're the one that got me to read Sarah, and I'm so grateful because this was like back in 2018, and I just devoured all of her books. And then I remember having to wait like three months for Kingdom of Ash. And you're like, bitch, I've been waiting years.

Kelly:

You're like, oh my god, how am I supposed to wait for this book to come out? And it's like, I don't know, Jordan. How?

Jordan:

How? How? But I want to know how did you get into like reading her?

Kelly:

Um, I don't so it never was like I got into reading her. It was just like I was when her books were coming out, was when I was like solidly in the my aggressive binge reading stage. Um, so I started reading Corona Glass when it published in 2012.

Jordan:

I don't know how you did that.

Kelly:

Yeah, I don't know either. So I I read them like as they came out because I remember when it came out, because I also was really big into like BookTube, um, which is like the precursor to book talk, I guess. It's it was people on YouTube making book content. And they're still doing that. Yes, they are, and like a lot of the OGs are killing the game, and I love them. Um, but then there's like you know, all like a bunch of other people that do it too, but um yeah, so I would like follow these booktubers and they would talk about like upcoming books because at that point publishing had caught on to the fact that they can use these people to promo their books. So people were talking about thrown a glass, and I was like, that sounds really good, I'm gonna read it. So then I can then go and watch their videos and like have someone quote unquote to talk to these books about. Um yeah, so when Throne of Glass came out, I read it and I was like, oh my god, I love this so much. Um yeah, I just read them as they published, which was so so difficult.

Jordan:

I can imagine, because at least all uh well, the first three, actually the first four, like that novella for Court Thorns and Roses was out when I read it, and then basically all of Throne of Glass was out, and it was just Kingdom of Ash that I had to wait for. But then I was with you having to wait like two years for Crescent City, so yeah, we were in that together.

Kelly:

Yeah, you you you you definitely are are part of the the club.

Jordan:

Can we talk about fun fact? Well, not well talk kind of fun fact, but also like yeah, where we went to was it Philly? Philly Philly to go see Sarah J. Moss for Crescent the release of Crescent City, but this was like the beginning of March 2020. 2020. So she canceled totally understandable, totally understandable.

Kelly:

She was like freshly postpartum, height of COVID mania.

Jordan:

Yeah, literally insane. But I was like, but honestly, we still made the best of that trip.

Kelly:

I think it was still so fun, and we still got a signed book. Yeah, we still have our signed book. And didn't we buy other like that she had other signed stock at the store?

Jordan:

No, I don't think I got any extra. I think they had extra stock of books, but I don't think they were signed. But I do remember we got like signed copies of Crescent City.

Kelly:

Oh, because I remember I bought a paperback thrown a glass, it's signed. Why did I read that? I no longer have anymore. So I think it's in Florida with my friend. Maybe she gave it back. I can't remember.

Jordan:

Oh my god, I give you props. I wouldn't give away any of Sarah J. Moss for anybody to read.

Kelly:

I mean, she's one of my like best friends, so I'm not worried about it. I know I'll get it back from her eventually. It's like I would I would lend a book to you. It's like that type of thing.

Jordan:

Okay, okay. Because I would lend, but like I feel like it I would lend it to you because I know you I like would treasure it like I would.

Kelly:

But like I do it and Kate take care and make it make sure it gets back to you.

Jordan:

Yeah, yeah. I remember I when I was panic on your face.

Kelly:

You're like, yeah, I I totally would would lend that to you, Kelly. Uh-huh.

Jordan:

Well, okay, so like I remember when I first got into reading, sorry, this is a side note, but I had a friend in college who I went to high school with, and she is like how we are now with treasuring books, but I was not that then. So she I I think I bought City of Bones, like the paperback. She lent me her copy of the next one, whatever City of Ash or whatever it's yeah, yeah.

Kelly:

I only know because I just finished reading, rereading them. Oh, sorry.

Jordan:

Well, hey, there you go. Um, but I she was like, don't bend the spine. And I was like, well, how do I not bend the spine? Because I was bending the spine for City of Bones, and this is like I'm newly into reading. Like I had just finished uh The Hunger Games. I had just finished the first three of Twilight, didn't know that there was a fourth, and I was like, Well, that's a weird ending. Um, then I dived into City of Bones, which I was obsessed with. So I was like, how do I not break the spine? Like, I was so terrified to read from that book. Like I almost went, I mean, I ended up buying my own copy anyways, but I I think I don't I don't think I ever read from her book. I think I left her book like on the bookshelf and I bought my own copy to just read from. And then when I finished it, I gave her back her book.

Kelly:

You know what? That I love that though, because so many people would be like, What do you mean? I don't understand. And I just do it anyways. Whereas you just like your anxiety took over, and you're like, uh uh, I'm just gonna pretend that I read from you guys.

Jordan:

She also scared the living crap out of me. She was like, Don't break my book. And I was like, Okay, sorry. I won't. Okay, anyways, but okay, Sarah J Mass. Um, I, but I swear, like, I feel like I just started reading them and then I you just like can't stop. You have to keep going.

Kelly:

Oh, like it's yeah, it just something about them is just not like not even addicting, it's just like it's also so like a vortex.

Jordan:

It really is. It's the moss universe and like moss destruction.

Kelly:

And you wake up one day and it's just like, oh, I've already read all of it.

Jordan:

It's like taken over, it's just taken over your life. Um, but the thing is too, is like I think I think we can both say that Throne of Glass definitely is the best series of them all.

Kelly:

Hands down.

Jordan:

Hands down, hands down. I think too, but it it I do think if you're getting into reading and like fantasy, then Court of Thrones and Roses is perfect. And I think only the first three. And I think yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I concur. Um, but I think because what I think is very cool is Sarah Jamas is written from different points of view, in the sense that Court of Thrones and Roses is first person POV. So if you're used to that, I think that's great. Fayra doesn't know what the fuck is going on, so you learn alongside her, and I think that's perfect. Yeah. She like dumbs it down for you. Like, really. But then but then a throne of glass and those characters, it's all third in those books. You're the idiot that doesn't know anything. Yes, and and it's like third point of view, third person point of view. Wow, I was trying to think of that.

Kelly:

And you're you as you were talking, I was like, I couldn't remember what it's called either.

Jordan:

Okay, thanks. I'm not the only one. But you don't know what's going on, and I think that's perfect, and you're so fucking confused, and Sarah just takes you on this wild-ass journey, and you're like and you're just like tagging along. I know it's so good. I love when you they like keep you in the dark as the reader, and but like the main character or like the characters know, which is what I also love is because you get so many different points of views in throne of well, like the series as a whole. I wouldn't say throne of glass. I think the throne of glass is just one one character. Right? I don't remember. I don't remember. But I know like the third, because like, okay, I have to ask, what out of all the books, what is your favorite book out of all her books?

Kelly:

Oh, like all of them?

Jordan:

All of them. Oh, that's a hard one. Really? I thought I was gonna I thought I was gonna be able to guess this.

Kelly:

Okay, guess it because I have because you know what my favorite and throne of glasses.

Jordan:

But I thought that was like your all-time favorite.

Kelly:

I know, I think it is. I think it I have it tied with another one, but so you guess.

Jordan:

Okay, so Queen of Shadows. Yeah, but maybe it's also tied with book three of A Court of Thorns and Roses.

Kelly:

Oh, no, I was gonna say it's tied with Kingdom of Ash.

Jordan:

Shit! Okay, I would not have guessed that. Because I think my can you guess my favorite?

Kelly:

I know your favorite of Throne of Glass is um book five, Empire of Storms. No, no, no. No, fire.

Jordan:

Oh, fire.

Kelly:

That's the one I was the green one. Oh my god, so much.

Jordan:

But I do like Empire of Storms. Like, I what?

Kelly:

Well, no, sorry.

Jordan:

I love a journey. I love a quest. I love a journey, so like I love Empire Storms for that aspect.

Kelly:

But you love it, you love the book where we're introduced to um, but but you didn't love it at first. You didn't love Manon's chapters at first, like everybody else.

Jordan:

No, I did. I've always didn't I did I mean like you did eventually, but sorry. No, I'm pretty sure I loved her from the beginning. You loved Ronan's like I loved Ronan Ronan. Ronan. I don't think I loved him. Rowan.

Kelly:

No, I was just saying, like, I remember it's the book where we like meet him, is the one that you love.

Jordan:

Yes, yes. I I don't find these books in a split. But I don't I didn't love him though. I think I loved him not like because I love Manon Girlie. I love her, she's my favorite character.

Kelly:

Speaking of Manon, it didn't make you a phenomenal jacket that I hope you still have.

Jordan:

Oh, oh my gosh, yes, it's in my closet. I like treasure that jacket with my whole heart. It is she guys, she made me the coolest jacket. It has Manon and then like the third. Well, I think Manon is part of the 13. It's not 13 and Manon. I think it's the 13. Yeah. Which, if you've like read all the books and granted, this episode's filled with spoilers. Like, yeah, live Manon, live. Oh my gosh, lower great. And I honestly Kingdom of Ash literally devastated. Dep. Like, I which I think made the jacket so much more special because you made me this jacket uh after like the devastation of like losing the 13.

Kelly:

You'll have to post a photo of it so people can see.

Jordan:

Honestly, well, I was thinking of using that photo as the photo for this book talk episode, but I I might change it. I might change it. I might post it like after and have like a different photo for like the main photo. I'll show you after. Yeah, and when you're listening to this, guys, you're gonna see it anyway.

Kelly:

So ta-da! And hopefully you you think it's as cool as we do because it I'm extremely proud of that jacket.

Jordan:

Honestly, you should be. I remember I made you I gave it back to you, and I was like, you need to put your handle on it, which I don't think you've ever done anything else with that.

Kelly:

Nope. Nope. I uh I did it. I I did stuff creatively with that account for a little bit, and then I did. I was like, you know what? I'm good.

Jordan:

We're out. We out.

Kelly:

Um okay, now I want to know what who's waiting. We we didn't you we didn't say your all-time favorite one though, or is it oh it's Air Fire.

Jordan:

Oh no. But I want to know who your favorite character is of all time, out of all her books. That's a really mean question. I know. That's so mean.

Kelly:

Uh oh my god. I mean I feel like it has to be Ailen. No! But I guess I can't be. Then there's Manon. Because Manon's amazing.

Jordan:

I love Manon. She's my favorite out of all by far out of all time. Favorite.

Kelly:

Manon's 100% yours.

Jordan:

She's my favorite.

Kelly:

I just don't know. It has to be one of those two. Yeah, it's just I think it's I think it's Aileen. I think it's Ailen. Fair. Fair so much. I'm so sorry. But I do love Manon so much, and I desperately want more of her and Dorian. Yeah. Dorian. I think oh my god. I am the devastation.

Jordan:

Dorian girl. The devastation at the well, it's not the end. It's like one of his chapters in Era of Fire where that girl is killed, like decapitated. Portia. Wow, you're good. I don't remember anybody's name. Sortia. Sorry. Clearly, I don't know anybody's name.

Kelly:

With some respect to her name.

Jordan:

Yeah, she did. She died dead.

Kelly:

Sergey Moss was like there is no end for her coming back. But like we need he needed that to happen to Dorian for like his character progression. Um I love him so much. He's you know what? He is up there, top three. Sorry. Okay. Okay.

Jordan:

I said what I said. I said what it said. Okay. Also with said what I said, you gotta read Assassin's Blade and Tower of Dawn. You learn the most important piece of information for Kingdom of Ash to read Tower of Dawn. People listening, this girl right here, and I'm pointing at Kelly, not myself, did not read Tower of Dawn. Assassin's Blade, I think you can't do that. Oh, you did. Wait, yeah, I had you mark off the chapters that I needed to read. Honestly, I'm okay, fair. Because you learn anybody that's gonna skip Tower of Dawn, don't do it because you literally learned the most important piece of information to get you into Kingdom of Ash. Do it, you're fine. You'll you'll you'll get through it.

Kelly:

I didn't. Listen, okay, listen. Again, not to like be that kind of person, but I read these books like as they were published. So Assassin's Blade, when it came out, it was just like, oh, novella series, like whoa, whatever. And like it was promoted as just kind of like, oh yeah, it's like prequel novellas. If you want to read them, read them. And I was like, okay, well, I'm in college and I don't really have the mental capacity to do that and the money. So I was just like, okay, whatever, I don't need to read them. And now I know enough about them that I'm like, I'll probably read them eventually. It's like an only oh sorry. And then Tower of Dawn was promoted as it was gonna be a like novella about KL. And I was like, and Sarah literally was just like at the beginning of promo, was like, it's gonna be a novella. You don't really need to read it. It's like if you want to read it, you can read it type thing. And so that's how I was going into it. And then like she announced and she's like, so actually it's gonna be a full book on its own, but it was never like when she announced that it was still not part of the series. It was just like K.O. has his own book as a side. So again, I was like, not gonna read, not gonna read it because I don't care and I don't like K.O. that much at all. He noise the shit out of me. I mean, I don't wish he dies, but like I don't need any more. Does he he doesn't die? No, he's like saying I don't wish death upon him. Oh, oh, oh. I thought like I thought maybe he died. And I was like, I know it's been a minute, but I don't think he's gonna be like, hold on a second. No, like I don't wish anything bad, but like I just I don't need any more content of him. Okay, I don't need to read a whole book about him just moaning.

Jordan:

But I Irene fixes him. Yeah, so he's not pretty cool. What are your thoughts on the tandem read? Like, honestly, that's too much fucking work.

Kelly:

Yeah. I mean, you you you just heard my opinions about reading Power of Dawn in general, so tandem reading it with Empire of Storms is just absolutely not. I if anybody, every person that has talked to me, like in my personal life about reading these books, I'm like, you don't need to tandem read it. Like it's really it's a trend, it's a trendy thing to do that. You it's yeah, maybe maybe I could see it as like a way of like rereading it. It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be hard to get through of Tower Dawn if you don't tandem read because it's just like 500 pages or however long the book is, I don't even fucking know. Like however long it is of just reading Kal Moaning. So then you get, but then it's also, in my opinion, ruining your experience of that power of storms.

Jordan:

Okay, fair, fair.

Kelly:

And I'm probably pissing a lot of people off with these takes.

Jordan:

I mean, you're pissing me off. Well, because like I I think Sassin's Blade, the novellas are kind of boring, not gonna lie. But I did read them in publication order because I have this like weird thing that it needs to be in publication order. So like people that people that start with it, I'm also like the emotional devastation do you go through with losing Sam? I would be a puddle on the ground because he's the one character's name that I can say. And then, but like I actually like going into Throne of Glass. You already know she lost someone, like, and I think it's so cool. Like that thing that she says where it's like, my name it's my my name is Selena Sarla. Sardothian. Yeah, and I am not afraid. Like you like, I loved going back to the novellas and learning that she got that from Sam. Yeah, so I loved that. Where you I don't know if if you'd read that the novellas first, if you would have picked that up. Yeah. The second like going into the them. So I I liked that. I I liked Tower of Dawn, and I wasn't like discou like I didn't want to not read it, but I also I think I was at the point that like Kingdom of Ash wasn't out yet. So I wanted to read more of that series, and it wasn't like I was waiting, you know what I mean? So I was like, I'm going to read it because this is all I have left. So I like don't want to not read it. Okay, but I want to ask you about Crescent City. I okay, I'm curious your thoughts because I definitely spoiled that book for you just because I didn't realize what the publisher was doing. And I have my own thoughts on that, and I'm curious what your thoughts are. They spoiled me, yes, because remember they spoiled us for the ending of book two, where Crescent City merges with A Court of Thorns and Roses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I so I've seen some people be like, we and who knows, people might listen and get pissed off, and here we go. Join the train. Um that's what we're here for. Right? Um, I okay, Crescent City, I read it and I devoured it. I felt like it had the Sarah J. Moss magic that all of her other books had. I couldn't put it down. I remember finishing Crescent City, like the first one, and having to go back into Court of Thorns and Roses because I was not ready to leave her like universe yet. Then it took me like I didn't read book two right away. And I avoided spoilers like no other. I was so proud of myself for the spoilers I avoided. Never once did I consider that a publisher would fucking spoil the book for me. And I I think it's disservice from the publisher, and I don't give a shit if it's because of marketing, because Court of Thrones and Roses is doing better. Like, I don't give a shit. I don't think the publisher should have spoiled it. I think if it was like any other account that spoiled it, that's on me. But I never would have considered but then here's the thing is I saw other people being like, this book has been out for a year, you should have read it. But what about all the people that haven't even started her books? Like that's I wanna like I remember seeing a couple people. I'm like, I want to know what book you're dying to read, and I'm gonna read it first so I can fucking spoil it for you. Like, oh, the book's been out for years.

Kelly:

Like, let me spoil it for you. Yeah, it's different, I think, if it was like people getting up in arms about like the Court of Thorns and Roses ending being spoiled versus like a book that's been out for a year that's highly anticipated, and then spoiling like this massive plot point that everybody's been hoping for. No, exactly for over a decade.

Jordan:

But it's not even but the thing is is like publishers wouldn't spoil the ending of A Court of Florence and Roses or Kingdom of Ash, and like being like this person died or whatever. But it's like this you're right. It's like this I think it's the the point is I just never would have thought a publisher would have done it, and that's what I think pissed me off the most. Like, if it was any other person, I think that would have been fine. But the fact that I thought I was safe seeing anything a publisher posted. Yeah, I know that was wild. And even if the public all I'm asking is the publisher be like, hey, spoiler warning.

Kelly:

Yes, genuinely that like would have fixed all of this, I think, is if they in that promo had a little like because it was a video, I think. Yes, it was like a re like before the video, like in the thing, could instead of because I can understand carousels, they get like messed up out of order when you're flipping through Instagram. I can give a slightly more grace on that, but still like don't fucking do it in a photo. But like for a video, the whole thing is gonna play for everybody. So just have the first like five, ten seconds be black and be like, spoiler alert. Literally, and then go into it. Cause like, come on. Oh my god, I was so mad. I I had actually been spoiled before that though. You didn't spoil me for it. I was I I spoiled myself, so I couldn't be mad because I was like going through my Instagram discovery and I saw someone talk about like uh yeah, talk about that, and I was just like, God damn it, wait, what? And then like I I didn't understand at first. I was like, what are they talking about? And I was like, oh shit, that must happen in the second book or whatever.

Jordan:

And see, I think that for me too, because I was spoiled and I was so fucking pissed, then it took me longer to read book two, and then book two didn't have the magic that I think it would have if I wasn't spoiled. And then I think book two sucked. I'm gonna say I think book three sucked, and um what I don't even remember book three. I just remember it sucking.

Kelly:

But I also like sorry, oh no, you're fine. I was just gonna say I read a lot, um, I think the whole series in like my postpartum haze. So some of it's a little hard to remember.

Jordan:

I think I was like already hate reading it because I didn't want to be spoiled, so I was already pissed off. So I think that's like where mine came from.

Kelly:

Yeah. But I still for me. Oh, sorry.

Jordan:

No, I was gonna say I still love A Court of Thrones and Roses, I still love Throne of Glass. I think I just have like a bad taste in my mouth from Crescent City.

Kelly:

I still love all of them. I just think for me, once I don't even want to say once these got popular because her books have always been popular. But like once it hit to like this sensational phenomenon on TikTok and everything, um it seemed like there was a slight tone shift from I don't know if it's from the author or from the publisher pushing this, where like it was never the books were never like so-and-so's book, so-and-so's book, and then all of a sudden it's like we need Nesta's book, we need Blaine's book, we need this, we need that, we need them all to come together. Like, yes, she hinted all along that these universes are gonna mesh together, but it like started to seem a little more forced than I would like. Didn't seem as natural. Um, and I don't know if it's there was so much pressure from fans, and then her publisher being like, okay, well, now these books are selling like hot fire, like or what are the phrases? Hot cakes. Hotcakes.

Jordan:

Hot fire. I like hot fire though.

Kelly:

Like that's um, they're selling like hotcakes, so we need to make sure that we're we're writing to please the fans versus writing to the story art. Um that's my two cents. I still absolutely adore all of her books.

Jordan:

I still love them all, but I just think that there's a slight little like I do, I am curious because okay, do you remember we were watching like some interview of hers, and she was talking about how her book went to the editor and she's The editor was like, This is really spicy. And I think you should take out some spicy scenes. And he she's like, I can't. I already took out so many. But this was before the release of Crescent City. So I remember getting Crescent City and assuming it was going to be super spicy. And there was like that one scene in the kitchen that was like tension and it, I don't even think they kissed. And I was like, This wasn't spicy. Like, this is the scene that the publisher wanted her to take out. It's an adult book. It's not YA. Yeah. I was like so confused. But then we get Nesta's book, Silver Flames, and I'm like, oh, this is the book they were talking about. Yeah. I was like, but and I know too, like this could be like, because I know this is a lot of people's favorites, and I know we have the same thoughts that I think there was too much like spicy scenes in there. I think she could have cut out half of those scenes and it would have been a better book in my mind.

Kelly:

Yeah, I think the plot got slogged down a bit. Uh and it could have been a little more streamlined and better. I will say that's probably my least favorite book of hers.

Jordan:

Uh shame. Shame. But I do want to I the since we've already talked about like some spoilers and we gave warnings. I loved that at like part of that ending in Kingdom of Ash, and I love what she did when Ailen is like falling through the different worlds. That see, that was so cool because when I read that one, technically we didn't know Fay Rose pregnant because Nesta's book hadn't come out yet. So you see Ailen seeing like two Faye people and one holding a baby. So I thought that was the coolest like piece of information we got.

Kelly:

But also it was before they announced that there was going to be more Court of Thrones and Roses books. So like to us as a readers, it was like, oh, like this little like postmark on the end of their story. Like you get to see that they have a happy ending.

Jordan:

And I thought that and then I think it's so cool. I haven't gone back and read Throne of Glass since reading Crescent City, but I know too we've talked about how she falls through Crescent City too. Yeah. And I think that's so cool. Like I think I I Sarah's mind is literally insane, and I don't know how she does it because how she creates these like universes that essentially it's I mean it is the Moss universe, but like how she interwoven them in different stories, I think is so cool. And I do, I do think the crossover from Court of Thorns and Roses and Crescent City is very cool. Like I think that is so cool. I just wish I wasn't spoiled for it. But I think like I think if we weren't, it would have been different. And now and I'm actually really grateful that I read these before I joined Bookstagram, before Book Talk, because I think it made it a special experience for me in itself. Because I think if I would have I think if I would have done it like afterwards, it would have been a different experience. In in my mind, I think it would have been different.

Kelly:

It would have been different, like it's it's its own community. Like you have a whole different experience about it. Yeah. I mean, I'm really glad that I read them before all the hubbub too, just because I'm easily influenced by people, other like outside voices. Yeah, so it's it's so nice that I like got to read them and form my own opinions instead of like having all of these voices shouted at me of how I should feel about the books.

Jordan:

I know, I'm like so glad you say that because I was the same way where on some of like not her stories because I had my formed my own opinions, but like other popular books, like I see other people talking about them, and I'm like, oh, I don't like it, or I do like it, and I think it's from these other people and not actually how I feel. So I am totally with you. I do want to make note of her one other book that no one ever talks about, the DC book. Everyone talks about how they've read all of her books, and I'm like, excuse me, no, you haven't. And it's what is it? It's like Soul Catcher, Soul Soul something.

Kelly:

It's it's a catwoman one, yes, because she did it with like four other authors.

Jordan:

Oh, it's Catwoman, Soul Stealer. Soul Stealer. And granted, I I think I read like half of it. I just don't like a DC comic thing. So I can't say that I've read all of her books because I've only read half of that. But you can tell that one. Neither can I, but like I will acknowledge the cat book, the DC comic book cat book. It exists, it ha it's there, but you can tell it's like definitely like forgotten about now.

Kelly:

Oh yeah. Especially, you know. Also, those books are always like in my mind, I look at them as like a marketing promo from the company, you know? Yep. Like I know uh way back in the day, um Alex Bracken, who I adore, um, she wrote the Darkest Mind series. She did a uh Star Wars book and I bought it. I think I have it downstairs somewhere. Never read it, but I just bought it because I love her.

Jordan:

I mean, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Um, okay, so I wanna know, like, if we're incorporating all of Moss Universe, like what order would you recommend people who've never read it? But like I want to include all the books. So it's like I think personally you should start with the first three Court of Thorns and Roses. Okay, yeah, and right, and then I think honestly, I think maybe you should read like the first five or six Throne of Glass, read book one of Crescent City, go back to Kingdom of Ash, then I so I read the novella of the Court of Thorns and Roses. I don't think I got anything of it from it, but people say it leads to Nesta's story, and I don't really know how, but I just remember it being the last book of the series, so I needed more, so I read it. So, yeah, sure. If you want to read that one, I think you can also skip it. Then read Nesta's story, then read Crescent City 2 and Crescent City 3. Okay. But I'm thinking you need to read right, you need to read Crescent City before gu diving into Kingdom of Ash so you can get the point of she falls through that city too.

Kelly:

Yeah, no, I I like that little edition there. Because the thing I'm so annoying. I am am and have always been a very big proponent of reading everything in the order that it's been published, which I know is very annoying, especially for like something like this, where the two series have been interhovenly published. So but that's why I kind of break it up really weirdly. Yeah. Um, and also it depends on like what kind of reader you are. Like if you're more fantasy than romance, then start with throne of glass. If you're more romance than fantasy, start with the Court of Thorns and Roses.

Jordan:

Okay, yeah, I get that.

Kelly:

I get that. But I definitely agree with um only reading the three Avatar books, then going to um Court of Thrones. Oh, yeah, we could you could do that. Um I don't know if if you really need to like I would just read the whole series.

Jordan:

No, no, because if you want to know that she's going through Crescent City, you gotta read Crescent City, then Kingdom of Ash. But I also would not be able to end with Empire of Storm and then Tower of Dawn and not be able to read Kingdom of Ash. So you have to have some pretty heavy self-control.

Kelly:

But now that they're all out, you have the like privilege of knowing, like, oh, she passes through um Akatar world. But and so, like, obviously, she's passing through other worlds that they're in. But since you know that there is an actual other series out in a whole separate universe, you're probably gonna have in your mind while reading it, like, oh, one of these is gonna be Crescent City.

Jordan:

You know what I'm saying? I guess that's true. Because I I know we read Kingdom of Ash and we didn't know that, so I didn't make any note of it. It wasn't until somebody else. But I do think Sarah teased Crescent City, like I think she knew Crescent City was coming all along because when I re-read after Crescent City reread A Court of Thorns and Roses, there was literally a point in the book when she marks House of Earth and Blood, which was technically the first book in Crescent City. And that is all like the humans and whatever. And basically the way she words it in Court of Thorns and Roses is like the human is House of Earth and Blood. So she's definitely teasing it, which I do want to dive into some like uh theories, because I still am die. I think Tamilin deserves a redemption art. I think he did everything that he really thought Reese was the bad guy. I honestly thought. So I mean, everybody did. I mean, we're we're the only ones that didn't, and Fayra. So, like, and I guess everybody in Volaris, but like ignore that for a second. But like everybody thought he was like the bad guy. So he really was trying to, he was doing whatever he could. He tried to find the bigger, baddest bad guy to save Phayra. Like, so I really do think, and I die on the hill. Like, granted, I don't love him in the sense of like he was for Fabra, but like he he took happiness, right? Like, he took Fayra, which she's been taking care of her family her whole life, and no one else was doing it. So she needed someone else to take care of her for once, and Tamlin did that. He didn't really have root, like he didn't have the capacity in the room to let her grow. He didn't know how to do it properly, but he tried. Yeah, and but like he gave her what she needed at that time, and then when she was finally ready to go grow, he couldn't do it. So I don't think he's a bad guy in that way. So I think he deserves his redemption arc. He literally, I mean, at the end of a court of Thorns and Roses series, like you literally see, or is it in Nest? I don't know. Oh, who fucking uh it might be the novella. You see, like Spring Court is fucking destroyed. It's just yeah, yeah, yeah. He he has been through it and he deserves his redemption.

Kelly:

Yeah, he doesn't deserve like complete annihilation and like uh no isolation and whatever.

Jordan:

Everybody that is like flicking him off the board. I no, I love I okay. I don't love him, but like I I was like, that's a strong one. But he needs his redemption, like he needs his happy ending. Like he can't be off. Like, so but but but but I think I think Tamlin should be with Elaine.

Kelly:

I like that one, right?

Jordan:

I think I agree with that one. One of my favorite like theories, and I highly like I'm like totally supporting it, and I'm here for it, and I think that's where Sarah's gonna go because Tamlin, like, so we've always known A Court of Thorns and Roses is a beauty and the beast retelling. Yes, Tamlin is clearly the beast, and who is the prettiest sister of all, right? I didn't think I was into shifters, but I guess I don't. But and who's the prettiest sister of them all? That's Elaine. So, like, clearly, beauty and the beast. So I really do think, and we already know that he she's like not to her mate, and I think Sarah doesn't want to make it all neat, so I can totally see her picking talon. And like Anne Elaine loves flowers, and she needs someone who take care of her. Yes, it it it make it make sense, and she made it make sense.

Kelly:

So, like which all right, I don't know if you still have more to say on this topic.

Jordan:

No, no, no, go, go, go.

Kelly:

Um, two two quick things because we're on the topic of uh Tamlin, one of our friends, is reading uh Court of Thrones and Roses right now, and she just finished the first book. And so she was messaging me about it. And it's just so funny because like she's in the phase of like Tamlin's amazing. I'm like, yeah, she's great. We love her so much. Like, uh, where is it? Oh, and then she said, I low key think Nesta and Reese or Lucian would be good together. And I'm like, no, no.

Jordan:

Um wait, can't like with that, can we bring up the one where the girl like on social media got a tattoo that said Tamlin? Oh my god, I saw that. That is literally, I still think about it randomly, and I bring it up at random times when people have like just like either talk about how they love Tamlin. I want to make note that I never was that obsessed with him. Like at the end of book one, I you get like more introduced to Reese, and I was like, Oh, I kind of like him.

Kelly:

I think that's always kind of was like I always liked him, but I wasn't like they and it should be together. I always liked Reese more to be honest. I was like, who's this mysterious man at that party? But I've also always been the Morley Gray here, uh like Damon from Vampire Diaries.

Jordan:

Oh no, see, no, no, I know we disagree on this. Enzo Enzo is my man. I love Enzo.

Kelly:

I love Enzo too, anyways. This isn't a vampire diaries episode.

Jordan:

No, no, we'll have to circle back another episode. But I okay, so with this like reel where somebody like got the name Tamlin on them, the comments, but all the comments were amazing because it was like, wow, that's a weird way to spell Reese. Like, or clearly someone didn't finish the series, and then and then she had to put another reel that was guys, I didn't know. I didn't know.

Kelly:

And the comments were like, it's my redemption arc. She really does. This book it should be dedicated to her.

Jordan:

It really should, but it's amazing. I just like I give her props because like I don't think I'd ever get a bookish tattoo until I finish the series. Oh god, yeah. Unless it was like not related to a character. Oh, god, or that, or that like if it was a quote, that's different.

Kelly:

Imagine going on a date and being like in person, being like, why do you have this weird man's name? Oh my god, is this like your ex? It's like actually it's my book boyfriend.

Jordan:

But then it's Tamlin. It's not even real.

Kelly:

Yeah, we need to we need to manifest this uh redemption arc book for her.

Jordan:

I'm and I'm dying on the hill. Like if Elaine doesn't end up with Tamlin, I'm gonna fucking riot.

Kelly:

Um and on the topic of Elaine, I know so and we agree on this, I think, because we've talked about it. I know so many people want Elaine to be with Az, and I will Oh no, no Riot.

Jordan:

Yeah.

Kelly:

If Elaine is with Az and Az is not with Gwen.

Jordan:

No, Az needs to be with Gwen. Have you seen some of the wait, have you seen some of the theories that like Bryce should end up with not Hunt? I saw th but I don't think it was As. I think it's like somebody, like I think they're not like I've seen a lot of theories that were like Bryce and Hunt aren't actually mates, and like when they merge the worlds or whatnot, they're gonna find their like mates or something.

Kelly:

I I have seen people talk about them not being mates and like finding someone else. Like I can't think of a character that would fit Bryce, right?

Jordan:

But I almost would like if that were true, I think it would have to be somebody that we haven't been introduced yet.

Kelly:

Yeah, because Bryce and Lucian.

Jordan:

Oh god, they would like destroy the world.

Kelly:

Like, do you think she would destroy him? Are you kidding me? She would be like, Oh, you're just easy pickings.

Jordan:

I uh yeah, yeah. Well, no, they can't be mates because he's mates with Elaine. I never know. Fair. I was going to say something else, but I don't remember. Do you have any other theories that like I don't really think of theories?

Kelly:

I I like to read and turn my brain off.

Jordan:

Fair, but like sometimes I just like fall down the theory rabbit hole, which is like enough Tamilin, and I'm still dying on that hill.

Kelly:

Yeah, I I I I agree with that one, and I definitely uh I just want Az and Gwen to get be together. That's really where all my brain power is. Um oh I've seen the theory that uh which I feel like I feel like we can't even call it a theory because it's like very obvious. Like if it's not true, it'd be like what the fuck? Um Greece and um oh my god. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yes. This is Nama related. Yeah, Rune. Yeah, yeah. Like that one's very obvious.

Jordan:

Obviously, um But I don't really know how she's gonna incorporate that like together. Like I'm curious if like the next like Court of Thorns and Roses, like book six or whatever is going to be like a Crescent City combined like thing, or like you know what I mean? Like it's very like I'm curious like how she's gonna go forward with that.

Kelly:

Yeah, because like you have to continue the storyline for Akhtar from where it left off in Crescent City.

Jordan:

Like Nesta's story, which I remember when she first started talking about like Nesta's story, it was supposed to be like three books, it was supposed to be like an additional, like three, like a trilogy, but it it was like all wrapped up in one, and I don't know if like that's like what's I think there's there's definitely more that can be yeah, but it's like I guess I thought it would be more like Faebra's story in a way. I don't know, yeah.

Kelly:

Yeah, I don't know. It's also I'm not gonna lie, it's been a very long time since I've read that book because I read it once and was like, I'm good.

Jordan:

I honestly, to be completely honest, I probably will never reread that one.

Kelly:

Yeah. Same.

Jordan:

Sorry everybody that loves that one. I know, and not knocking, like, I mean, I was never really obsessed with Nesta to begin with. I was never really obsessed with Elaine to begin with either. Like, I liked like honestly, like Throne of Glass is like my series. Like, I will die on the hill that that is the best series of all time. And like, can we talk about like I remember when okay, so you told me to read these books, and these were probably like the first fantasy books I've ever read. Devoured them, loved them. I'm like, Faye, Fey who? Okay, let's get some more. So started reading more Faye books that just totally did not hit the spot. Like, I remember reading like Holly Black's Cirl Prince, and I like wish I would have read that at a different different time because I think I would have loved those so much more, but I was expecting like a Sarah J. Moss level and just didn't think that. No, but it was still like they're good books, they're good books. That's not me saying that they're not, but I think you can't I think the only way to fix a Sarah J. Moss like reading slump is to read more Sarah J. Moss. Like you just circled at the beginning. Yeah, actually. And that's like literally what I did because I know I read like especially the ending with like Crescent City. I was devastated. Devastated at the end of book one. The publishers didn't spoil that one.

Kelly:

So then what was the end of book one again? Oh my god. She liked it out of my brain. That's how devastating that was.

Jordan:

Not that she was like a prisoner, and then the first free thing she does is to save Oh my god, the devastation.

Kelly:

And like the whole time she's always talking about how she's like a descendant of like the queen or whatever that they call it. And they're all like, yeah, sure you are.

Jordan:

And it's just like and isn't that a theory too, that she's like a descendant of like Ailen?

Kelly:

I thought it was oh I haven't seen that.

Jordan:

Oh, yeah. Something of like, yeah.

Kelly:

Like that's where Aileen gets her fire.

Jordan:

Something like that. But that's like I haven't really dived down that theory hole yet. I like that. Right? I think that's and there's something like with stag too, like that's a theory and something of like Crescent City too. Like, remember they were like, something, something. I don't think I'll the thing is, is like I don't think I'll ever reread Crescent City. I don't think I'll ever reread no. Would you? Like the trilogy.

Kelly:

You reread Crescent City the trilogy. I mean, like, I would re-listen to two of them. Uh-huh. Crickets. I like the series. I think it's I like I like Bryce a lot. I like Bryce. And I like Hunt. I like Hunt too. I hate that people hate on him.

Jordan:

I know.

Kelly:

What do I gotta do to you? Just let him be happy with Bryce. Come on. Right? But every day, all day. Just like, yeah, take a moment for one of my one of my favorite scenes. Not like genuinely my favorite scenes, but like one of my favorite scenes that I feel like is never talked about enough. Which is in uh it's in one of the later books when they're all like there's like a scene where Dorian and like Manon and a couple other people are like out looking for like either the key or Aylen or someone, they're like basically camping out. Um no, they're looking for the other witches um to gather them. And Dorian's trying to practice his shape-shifting magic, and he shapeshifts into a girl, and we get his perspective like inside his head about being shapeshifted into a girl. That was the height of comedy to me reading that when that came out. Oh my god, and the look on your face tells me you have no recollection of this chapter. And it breaks my heart, it's one of my favorite things ever. Because he's like just trying, he's trying to practice and hone his magic so that like he can help Ailen when the time comes. And he's uh I think he shapeshifts into Manan.

Jordan:

Stop.

Kelly:

Fuck and he's like, What are these things? Is oh my god, it's such a good POV chapter.

Jordan:

I I want to reread it so badly, but like the commitment I need to have to like reread that series. Yeah, but like I want to sit down and like reread it. Like I want to pick up all the Easter eggs she puts down, like for the whole like series. Because basically, I love that the series starts off with like no magic. You have no idea that they're fay. You have not you have like no idea what's going on. And then like as you're like reading it, you're like, oh, oh. So I like I really want to like now, knowing all that, I want to like pick up on things that I don't think I I might be able to in like an audiobook, but I don't think I would, especially to like the last time I read that book was in 2018. Yeah, like when the last book released. So I'm like, it's been some years, which is clearly why I don't remember that scene where Dorian shape shifts into a female.

Kelly:

Yeah, it's one of my favorite things, but I I can understand because it's like very just kind of uh breezed upon it's like very short, it's nothing important, it's not important to really the plot line in terms of like um sorry, I just think it plugged in. Comedic relief. Yeah, like it's relevant to the plot in that like he's learning to hone his magic, but like the actual thing is just kind of like whatever. Um I was gonna say something else. What were you just talking about? Comedic relief. Oh no, no, before that. I don't know. What is we're just talking about? I don't know. I could I could drone on and on and on and on and on.

Jordan:

I know. I feel like we could talk about Sarah J. Moss forever and ever and ever. And I am excited. Like, I know I will read any book she releases, and like I'm dying to know like the sixth book of A Court of Thrones and Roses, too. Like, I'm dying for it.

Kelly:

I'm gonna gobble up anything that she ever writes and like any critiques I have of her books. It's like those those books are still better than like half the other books I've ever read. Oh, same. Like I still love them as much as like more than other stuff. But I remember what I was gonna say because you were talking about Little Easter eggs. Yes, yes, yes, yes. She's one of my favorite things in Throne of Glass is she always talks about Ailen's emotions with heat to them. There's always like fire, warmth, like some type of like emotion that has this heat. And then whenever she talks about Dorian and his emotions, it's always cold, ice, like cool, like all these like very, and it's like this little hint because you don't know until like many books later that they both have these powers that are then related to how their emotions are described. And it's one of my favorite things.

Jordan:

I remember you like told me about that, and I was like, what? Like, I remember too, like when I was talking about because like Dorian's dad is the king, and he's like, I'm like so proud of myself. I'm like, I will I will always acknowledge this because I was so proud of myself. Because I remember you were like, what? And I but I read the books back to back where you like had to wait until releases, but like basically the dad is like the king, and he's always click king of like art. I don't even know the name, Ardan, or whatever the yeah, sure. I can't remember. Um, but he's always referred to as the king, the king of the like the city, the king, but you never get his name. And I remember one time to you being like, Did you realize like we never have gotten the king's name? It's just he's the king, and then it literally the end of the book, he literally talks about how his name has been taken away from him because he's been infected by the demon or whatever, yeah. So like he has no, he's like a king of no name.

Kelly:

Yeah, so I remember you saying that to me, and I was like, Oh yeah, I never noticed that, and then be like it literally was so fucking important, so important.

Jordan:

Like, and I think I'm like so proud of myself because like Sarah's like the one because most of the time, I thank you. I am because like most of the time I'm like not one to want to like guess what's going on because usually I'm fucking disappointed because I'm guess I guessed right. But Sarah is the one author that I want to go in guessing, especially with Throne of Glass and how big it is. Yeah. Like, you know, there's so many little like details and intricacies of like this series that you could go and if you're guessing, like and you're right, you're so fucking stoked because most of the time you're wrong.

Kelly:

Yeah. Yep. I remember for Court of Thrones and Roses, I clocked the mating bond snap. Um, and I clocked, I literally was texting my friend while reading the wedding scene, and I was like, Greece is about to show up and save her, and like two pages later he showed up, and I was like, I'm so amazing.

Jordan:

So amazing. Well, I think I clocked the mating scene too, because the the mate bond or whatever in the first one. Because I remember talking to you, being like, They're mates, and then I was like, maybe, but but I think it's cool that she did that where you you think that, but you don't know until like well into book two.

Kelly:

Yeah.

Jordan:

So I think that that's what's happened.

Kelly:

Yeah. That's like one. I'm so sorry. Like literally droning on and on. That's what you came here for, though. I don't so you know, yeah. Just chatting about Sarah. That's one of the things that annoys me about people when they like there are valid criticisms to her books. Um, but I hate when people are like, the writing is so basic, the writing is so yada yada, simple, blah blah blah. There's no you're clearly not reading critically then, because she puts a lot of detail and thought and Um foreshadowing in her books a lot.

Jordan:

100%. A hundred percent. And I think it's like maybe they're like used to like big words and all these things, but I like it because Sarah makes it where you like anybody can read her books. Like, yes, I do think like Throne of Glass is maybe like a higher fantasy, so maybe don't start with that one, but it's still digestible, like you can still read it.

Kelly:

Sarah J. Mas is the Taylor Swift books.

Jordan:

She is a hundred percent. And now that you said that, I I think Joe was Tamlin, and I think Reese is Travis Kelsey.

Kelly:

Alright, now our next task is to assign every Sarah J. Mass character to a Taylor Swift.

Jordan:

Okay, no, no, but hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. So I think Taylor Swift needed saving. Like she basically just got shot on by so many people except us, because Beza loved her and we will always love her back in like 2015-2016, like the die down of 1989. And so then she leaves the country, goes to England, meets Tamlin, Joe. And he needs saves her. It saves her in a way. Like she needs that being essentially locked away in a house because she does not want to be in the real world. So, like someone to take care of her, love her for like who she is in that time. But he could not let her grow. Like she she finally was ready to spread her wings, and he was like, I don't want to spread my wings. Like, I want to be where I am. So he could not let her grow, and she could not grow with him. Enter Reese Travis Kelsey.

Kelly:

He lets her ignoring Maddie Healy. Maddie Healy never happens.

Jordan:

Oh, yeah, that's that did not exist. That that did not exist. We're just saying to ignore that. Except we did get great songs on Tortured Poets Department for that.

Kelly:

But and now this is a Taylor Swift episode.

Jordan:

Right? No, but like, so now she's with her mate, Travis Kelsey Reese, and he lets her be who she really wants to be. And she is the truest version of herself because he knows how to let her grow and do things that she wants to do. And he's right alongside her.

Kelly:

He's like feels like you put a lot of thought to this.

Jordan:

Yes, I have.

Kelly:

You started this out as if it was something that like you just came up with on the spot. And the more you tell them, like, oh no, this has been married. This has been ruminating in here.

Jordan:

There were multiple times that I was gonna do a reel on this, but then I was like, that's too extra. So now that we've done this episode, this is perfect. But so I feel like we can end this episode on that note that Joe is Tamlin, so he still deserves his redemption arc and happily ever after.

Kelly:

And anybody that says otherwise who is just a golden retriever, amazing.

Jordan:

Oh which is like opposite, honestly, though, and like she can be a kid, like every time in all the other relationships, she was like a fucking mom taking care of them, and now Travis Kelsey lets her like and you know, like the bodyguard steps away because Travis Kelsey is a big boy.

Kelly:

Oh my god, I'd be so scared.

Jordan:

I can just seem like jackling people, anyways. So we hope you enjoyed this lovely moss destruction. Honestly, that's like what she is, and I am here for it.

Kelly:

Your heart and your head and everything, everything in between. Expectations, no, I love my husband.

Jordan:

I mean, but if like mine could grow wings and then have that we we order wings off Amazon and have them put them on. Can you imagine? Oh my god, I think honestly, I think Nick would put them on. I really do. He's like, what the fuck? Wait, then you know that sound where they're like, I'm a Fabby. That's what I'm picturing in the back with the ways.

Kelly:

I could see that. Also, we both we we both have husbands named Nick, so this might be a little confusing. My nick, not your neck.

Jordan:

Yeah. But now I want your neck. But now I want your neck. What the fuck? That would be amazing. Oh, oh no, I think the sound is she was a fairy. I need that so badly.

Kelly:

Your nick is bald, it's just like the ice and goes off. I need it. I'm like crying. I'm crying.

Jordan:

Bestie chats.

Kelly:

Bestie chats about Sarah Day Mass. That's what we all need, right?

Jordan:

It really is. It really is. So, guys, I hope you loved this episode. And I know we did. So, like, I yeah, that's all I got.

Kelly:

Hope it was enjoyable. Hope it was everything you hope.

Jordan:

Everything you hoped for and more. And if you haven't read Sarah J Moss, go read Sarah J Moss.

Kelly:

And I'm sure we'll be back once there's another one to talk about.

Jordan:

Yes, yes.