Spill the Smut

Reading Between the Sheets with My Roomie

• Jordan • Season 1 • Episode 2

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"He understood the assignment," as I welcome my roomie as the first guest on Spill the Smut. The conversation flows effortlessly from the highlights of our week (our recent wedding and Taylor Swift's new album announcement) to the heart of what it means to share your life with someone whose bookshelves overflow with spicy romance.

The conversation takes a delightfully frank turn when discussing bedroom communication, with my roomie offering this gems of advice. His emphasis on open communication, willingness to try new things, and the importance of laughter during intimate moments provides a refreshing perspective on how romance novels can influence real relationships.

Whether you're a dedicated romance reader, curious about the genre, or simply interested in the dynamics of relationships where books play a central role, this episode offers honest insights, plenty of laughs, and a reminder to "stay spicy" in both your reading life and relationships.

Cover Art by: moi

Intro/Outro Music: positive vibes by nanaacom on Capcut

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Jordan:

On this very special first episode on Spill the Smut. I have the one, the only, my husband and Roomie.

Nick:

That's me. I'm here, hi, everybody.

Jordan:

Hello, okay, so I, before I forget, I really want to start off this episode of what is the highlight of your week so far.

Nick:

Well, that's easy. Summer I turned pretty. It was a really good episode.

Jordan:

Team Conrad.

Nick:

Yeah, team Conrad. All the way, the highlight of my week was our wedding. It was, and you were so beautiful.

Jordan:

It was really you were so handsome.

Nick:

Thanks, it was really an amazing day. We had perfect weather.

Jordan:

Perfect location. The perfect people were there. It was amazing yeah it really was.

Nick:

So that was the highlight. How about you?

Jordan:

Okay, well, I can't pick the same thing as yours. Yes, you can. I can't pick the same thing as yours. Yes, you can, but I'll have to go with. Taylor Swift just announced TS12, the Life of a Showgirl. I cannot freaking wait.

Nick:

That's fair.

Jordan:

That's fair, that's solid, that may one up our wedding At least our wedding was first and I but like, oh my goodness, and the fact she's never been on a podcast before and she's on her man's podcast how freaking cool is that yeah, I mean, listen, they're awesome together, everything.

Nick:

Everyone loves them. I love them. I'm a huge football fan. So go, travis kelsey, good job, good pull, and um yeah good pull, good pull.

Jordan:

um, like I can't because technically this episode's going to air and at 7 pm today when this episode comes out is when their episode comes out on New Heights and I can't freaking wait.

Nick:

Simultaneous release.

Jordan:

Well, this will be in the morning, so so when people listen to it it'd be 7 pm. Oh, eastern standard time. Yeah, okay, fair, I think I'm pretty sure it's eastern standard time. I just roll in the time zone that I'm in, so I'm not actually positive on that. But I am so excited and I can't wait to see this cover. And there's so many speculations of like it could be like three albums and there's so much like a lot of people are saying it's going to be like a 1989, like pop era, and I can't freaking wait.

Nick:

And when it comes out, I can't wait to hear it on repeat for about a month straight.

Jordan:

Yes, I like it, I like it, I like it. Okay, so now we can just dive into this podcast. So the first question I have for you is what is it like being married to a book girly and a smut book girly?

Nick:

A lot of pressure. Sometimes you'll just be sitting there reading that book and I look over and you give me those eyes. Sometimes I'm just sitting down watching like a sports game and I'm like ah.

Jordan:

Go time, it's go time.

Nick:

It's go time. It's like fourth and one on the goal line and you just give me those eyes.

Jordan:

I'm like can we two?

Nick:

minutes no, a lot of pressure.

Jordan:

Yeah, a lot of pressure. But what about? What about like? Okay, now take some out of the equation. What about just like a book girly? What's it like being with a book girly and a bookstagram girly at that?

Nick:

well, I mean for me personally with the book girly. Um, it's great because, again, we both have our own hobbies and it's nice, while I'm either sitting watching sports or working on the computer or doing whatever, you can be sitting there reading your book, so we can kind of be in the same realm, same space and it's just nice to have you there while I'm kind of doing my thing even though it's kind of not the same thing and I'm trying to get back into reading. I was never a big reader, I know I just sometimes I just lose my train of thought. So I'm trying to work on that, because I actually do enjoy reading if it's a good book.

Jordan:

Well, I remember too. I also have the dramatized version of Agatar, which the Court of Agatar, which is a court of thorns and roses, and I know you were listening to that and you were really enjoying that. It was like 20 minutes worth. It was just like from our drive back home one time, but you were really liking those and I really want to try to get you back into something like that, because I think it also needs to be something that keeps your interest too, which I do think. There's a book for everybody. You just need to find the right book, and you also started the last one at the wedding, which by Jason I have no idea how to say his last name Rukulak.

Nick:

Rukulak.

Jordan:

But he did like Hidden Pictures, I believe.

Nick:

I'm not a huge fan of his writing, oh really, I mean, I'm only a huge fan of his writing, oh really. I mean, I'm only a couple chapters in.

Jordan:

But I actually have heard that A lot of people didn't like hidden pictures because his writing is like meh.

Nick:

I mean, listen again, I'm not a, I don't have a lot of. My sample size of books is small but it doesn't seem anything special. But also I'm only a couple chapters in, so I'll give it, give it a little more time. But if, if a book doesn't grab me right away, I have a really hard time with it because I'm my mind doesn't stop. I'm a very busy mind so I lose, like I said, I lose my train of thought. Same with audiobooks. Like I need I don't know I need to be like on a gummy or something, where I'm just relaxed and not thinking of anything, my mind shut off, where I can just enjoy listening to an audio book, because I'll be like oh, look a bird.

Jordan:

Which I actually find interesting, because normally I not that I have what you have, because I think you do fall in like the ADHD or like line and I don't have that, but I do find it interesting because I've had my audio books like sped up to 1.3 or 1.5.

Nick:

Yeah, you can't do that. No, it has to be on a normal. I mean maybe I can go like 1.1.

Jordan:

I don't know, I think Too fast gives me super anxiety, which I think is interesting is usually people that have that adhd, or like have adhd, then they find that having the audiobook sped up keeps their focus, so I think that's interesting yeah, not for me.

Nick:

It just everything feels rushed and it just gives me anxiety. I like calm. Again, my brain doesn't shut off, so it's always like, and I just need something to kind of bring me calm. I mean, even in any given day, at night, after dinner, when I sit down, I'll either be a little amped up and it's hard for me to settle down, and sometimes I do get that calmness where I'm really just zoned in calm and that's the best setting for me to be able to read or listen. Even our conversations are better. Sometimes our conversations aren't as good because I'm just my mind's not there. I'm thinking of work. I work a stressful job, so I'm thinking about that. I'm thinking about, you know, finances and you know.

Jordan:

And that can be hard because, like I know too for myself, like, especially if there's something that I need to do, I need to do it right away, right, this second, and I can't like I'll put down my book because I need to do something, and it could be something as simple as like putting laundry away, and if I don't do that yet, I can't focus on the book I'm reading. So I totally understand that and I feel like that, but I do think it's interesting because you picked up this. I'm pretty sure that's like a thriller book. This one, yeah, the last one at the wedding.

Nick:

Do you remember when we picked that up?

Jordan:

At Target.

Nick:

When.

Jordan:

Do you know how long ago? A week ago.

Nick:

Yeah right before our wedding oh, yeah, so you know, the last one at the wedding. It spoke to me I'm a sucker, sucker, I am a judge. A book by its cover person? Okay.

Jordan:

Actually, I feel like you bring up a good point, because everybody says do not judge a book by its cover. But that is what we always do. We judge a book by its cover, because if you aren't like, if you are not hooked by the cover, you're not going to pick up that book.

Nick:

I have a saying that I just on the spot made up.

Jordan:

I love it and.

Nick:

I actually love it.

Jordan:

I love it.

Nick:

First and foremost, judge a book by its cover.

Jordan:

Yes.

Nick:

But most importantly, judge a book by its inner cover.

Jordan:

Oh, I like it.

Nick:

So first it needs to grab you, it needs to get your attention. Just like a woman for me, physically I need to be attracted to them. They could want my 90 more. I mean, it's I was just gonna say, I was just gonna say so even when we met, you grabbed your beauty. Your physical beauty grabbed me, it brought me in. But then I got to look behind the cover and I fell in love even more, and that's really the most important part of it. But it does need to get your attention, oh, more, and that's really the most important part of it.

Jordan:

So, but it does need to get your attention. Oh, it does, because and that's the thing is like, everybody will say that you never should judge a book by its cover because the inside of the book could be amazing, and that is very true. But if you put a sucky cover on an amazing book, I'm not going to pick it up, just because, walking through a bookstore, there's thousands and thousands of books, and what will make me marketing a hundred percent marketing.

Nick:

It's all it is. And I mean there's, there's some, and I know you fall in love with different covers. You have five of the same book.

Jordan:

There'll be different covers honestly, though, it's like, but it's bad, it's bad. But then that's a whole nother topic of like consumerism at its finest with special editions. And I get it too from like authors its finest with special editions. And I get it too from authors wanting to create special editions to increase their income. And I get it, I get it. I get it, but I can't be buying all those special editions. I can't do it. I just can't do it Too poor, I'm poor, I'm poor. There's some more porridge.

Jordan:

Okay, so I have some random questions in here and I want to ask I'm poor, some more porridge, okay. So I have like some random questions in here and I want to ask you Okay. So one of the questions is, if you had to describe my reading taste in three words, what would three words be my reading taste?

Nick:

Spicy.

Jordan:

Ooh, yes.

Nick:

Sexy.

Jordan:

Ooh and Sexy Ooh.

Nick:

And sultry.

Jordan:

Oh, we went for the alliteration right here.

Nick:

Yeah, sexy spicy sultry.

Jordan:

I love it. It kind of oh my God, and it goes with spill and smut.

Nick:

Look at that Quintuple S's Is that what that is.

Jordan:

I love it. A lot of S's. I have no idea. I don't really know your reading taste yet, but my reading taste is all over the place.

Nick:

I like I'm a good fiction. I also like I used to read a lot of self-help.

Jordan:

Oh my god, yes, I actually yes, because you had a bunch in your room when we first started dating. I totally forgot about those. They ended up in a lot of free little libraries.

Nick:

And historical nonfiction. You know super accurate. As I get older, I'm more into the history of things. I used to hate history growing up. It's funny how you get older you want to learn about the past. So yeah, I mean I'm all over the place. It's nothing how you get older, you want to learn about the past. So yeah, I mean I'm all over the place. It's nothing specific, just like my music taste.

Jordan:

Oh, I like that. Well, I want to talk about the book I just finished, a Hundred Summers by Beatrix Williams I think is how you pronounce her name Because I feel like I want to bring up about this great New England hurricane of 1938, which I had no idea this was a thing. I did not know, that this historical event happened in 1938. And I mentioned it to you and you were like, oh my gosh, yes, it was very tragic and horrific and it demolished so many New England states and I had literally no idea this happened.

Nick:

And yeah, I mean I just the hurricane of 38, it's um, yeah, I just I've heard it referenced state and I know it was devastating.

Jordan:

I didn't know too much more other than that no, but I feel like I had no idea this even existed. I feel like and I don't I grew up here mostly, I grew up in New England, but I wasn't born here but I feel like we didn't learn about it in school and I don't know if you learned about it in school or if it's just because your generation's families were here.

Nick:

Yeah, I mean, I just remember my parents referencing it and talking about, oh, the hurricane of 38, not that they were around, but I'm sure their grandparents were really in the, you know, in the midst of it. I mean, let me say my, my parents were born in the late fifties, early sixties. So their, their parents were born. Yeah, so their parents were probably, if they were born, children.

Jordan:

So they're, yeah, they're yeah, so their grandparents and my parents, grandparents, my great grandparents, wereparents were definitely like, probably in their late teens, early 20s, late 20s and this isn't a spoiler in the book, but like there's a part where, like of course, the book, the end of the book is the hurricane and it's talking about how these families, or the people that survived the hurricane, were taking objects from houses because houses were being destroyed. So it's like this one character was floating on doors in this like hurricane, and then that's how they survived the hurricane. And then there was a historical note at the end of the book saying that this is actually what people did when the hurricane hit, because it just was so, it just came all at once and people did the best that they could was there enough room on that door for two?

Jordan:

I swear there was enough room for both of them, but I just it was kind of cool and honestly, like now I want so many summer historical reads because I think this is a summer, especially New England. New England summers just hit differently in my mind.

Nick:

Oh no, I mean, I love New England minus the super bitter cold. But yeah, I mean these books I've seen you picking up again. The cover just grabbed me. You know this one someone jumping off a boat into a nice blue ocean with a blue sky.

Jordan:

How can you not want to read it?

Nick:

You want to be there. You want to be jumping off a yacht into a nice blue ocean underneath the blue sky.

Jordan:

Exactly, just all the blues, yeah, all the blues. Okay, so here's, I have a fun little question and I think you will know this, but let's put your knowledge to the test. Do you know the difference between TBR, dnf and HEA?

Nick:

TBR to be read. Dnf did not finish and what was the third acronym?

Jordan:

HEA.

Nick:

I don't know, hea, but I will take a guess.

Jordan:

Ooh, okay.

Nick:

Um hoping it's eventually available, that's kind of good.

Jordan:

No, happily ever after. But I feel like I don't really use H-E-A, I just say happily ever after. So that's fairly understandable that you didn't know that one. Okay, I have another question for you. Can you name three of my favorite authors? I know I have a bunch, so just any three.

Nick:

Runix. Yeah, that was the first one, sarah J Maas.

Jordan:

Yes.

Nick:

And I mean I know those two to be your favorite. I'm just looking at some of your series that are on the shelf. I don't want to do anyone injustice or give anyone the credit where it's not deserved, so I am going to pass on the third because I have no idea. Lj.

Jordan:

Shenton, I know you did. You did because I had just finished her Handsome Devil, the Forbidden Love series, and it's so good, Didn't she? Send you some books yeah, handsome Devil. Before release which LJ Shen? I know you're not listening, but if you ever do listen to this episode, thank you so much, and it'd be cool if I could have her on the podcast one day Manifesting.

Nick:

That'd be great. Lj, get your ass over here.

Jordan:

Get it over here. She said sweetly, though Now this question, do you ever?

Nick:

feel like the third wheel, since I always carry a book with me. No, no, not at all. I love that you read. I mean you find so much enjoyment in it and yeah, I mean I know I've heard sometimes like the guys in the relationship that like real guys in the relationship might get a little jealous. Is that the right? Or maybe insecure, insecure.

Jordan:

I think that brings up a good point, because I've had conversations with people in the past that are. They've specifically asked me oh, I'm so glad you brought this up Asked me like, oh, does your man ever not like you reading? And I was taken aback because I was like, wait what? But I've actually seen a lot of like authors post about like their readers saying that their man or their significant other doesn't like that they read romance. And I it's never like crossed my mind because you've always supported me reading romance and I know too, even before I started my bookstagram page, I was reading romance when we were together, like since the beginning.

Jordan:

I've actually been reading like indie published books since I started the job that I'm currently at, but we're going to keep it a secret because I'm not going to tell people what I do. But from when I started this job, I've been reading these indie published books and you've supported me even then reading these books. So I was, when I saw people talking about like their significant others not liking that they're reading these books, I was kind of confused. And what do you say about all that? Because, like, I didn't even think that was like a thing and I don't think your man should dictate like what you read, or should make fun of you for reading it?

Nick:

No, I mean I don't understand what they would be you know upset about. I mean again, maybe it's like the insecurity thing, I don't know, comparing, being compared to like some of these book characters. I mean it's smut, I mean it's I know I can kind of translate to like bedroom stuff, so but then you would think that would be nice because then it's like you both reap the benefits of it. Well, yeah, if your communication is good and you know and you are, you know, if you know, for example, like if the guy's into maybe like role playing or trying other stuff, if he's secure with himself, yeah I think it can be a total benefit. But I don't think that's always the case.

Jordan:

And that's fair. Well, because I'm also thinking of like Agatar, and we know you guys don't have wings, so like that is yeah, but you can buy them.

Nick:

That's what I'm saying. You can get a little costume.

Jordan:

That's true, that's true, but I can't even imagine like how small our place is. They're like wings.

Nick:

that are like six feet long, you couldn't fit through a doorway. I like open them up and knock you out.

Jordan:

Oh my god well, that that that makes me think of, like remember when I tried to get a mask and I was gonna have you wear a mask and I got the v for vendetta mask, which, if you don't know what I'm talking about, look up the movie v for Vendetta and I bought that mask. But this is where price does matter, because I bought a $12 mask. It came in the mail, you put it on and I almost peed myself being scared. It was not hot, it was not like.

Nick:

I could do it, no justice.

Jordan:

I don't know what I was thinking.

Nick:

I don't know what you were thinking either, but I tried it out.

Jordan:

You did, you did and I was like, nope, never again. And it went right in the trash. But this was like the height of spicy dark books that had mask play in it and I was like, oh, this will be fun to try. And then I was like, nope, absolutely not putting this away and never trying it again.

Nick:

So I have a question for you have you like? Has smut really grown that much over the you know, recent? I mean I'm assuming maybe COVID really, you know sparked books again, but is I don't know, I'm not a book guy, so I don't know if this is a genre that's been hot no pun intended for a while or if this has really been picking up steam oh, I love your wordplay here, uh, so I actually okay I think this is like a two-part, harder kind of question only because I do think smut was here the whole time from the beginning, because I was.

Jordan:

I was reading these books 10 years ago, like before we first started dating and when we first started dating, but I think it wasn't widely accepted and that might not be the right words. I think a lot of people were still embarrassed to say that they liked reading romance and they enjoyed reading smut. But most of us were reading smut. We just didn't tell people we were reading smut. But I think COVID brought a level of acceptance like all of us banded together and there's like different levels of bookstagram because, like you can find bookstagram that's not romance based. You can find like a bookstagram that's ya based, fantasy based, fiction based.

Jordan:

But I'm clearly in the romance space and I think more people are, uh, embracing that of themselves and so they're willing to talk about it and I think people are going to the bookstore to buy it and it's just becoming more of a bigger space. But before all of this, and even though now it's in bookstores you're finding more bookshelves of romance because people want to buy it. But even before all of that romance was a billion dollar industry. Industry Like romance was in a way spearheading books and bookstores, but it just wasn't really talked about.

Nick:

Yeah, but isn't, isn't smut a little darker?

Jordan:

No, not necessarily. So smut would be just it's a spicy book, so it could be a light romance read. It could be a dark romance read. It could be a dark romance read. It could even just be it's like anything with a level of spiciness to it. So it doesn't necessarily have to be like the smuttiest book you've ever read. It could just be one spicy scene and it would be smart. It's just like another word for spicy gotcha. Yeah, I know, because I you were talking to somebody about um, the podcast, and you mentioned smut and you were like dark and you were like dark romance and I was like not quite, but it works. I mean, but it can include dark romance, but it can also include like fantasy, it could include romantic suspense, fluffy, literally all of the above, all of them.

Nick:

All of them Got them all. Okay, that's good, that clarifies things A little. Them Got them all. Okay, that's good that clarifies things A little bit.

Jordan:

Glad to help. Sometimes you just got to do it and I know too like for us. I've definitely had you say some of the things that I've read in books, so this is where it's helpful, Going back to why some guys don't like that their girls read smut.

Nick:

It translates into like the bedroom guys when they're explaining to you how you can be a little better in the bedroom. Listen, because you are not the best lover. I promise you I'm not the best lover. I don't think any of us can really stand up to the standards of these characters, because these women are romanticizing and imagining the best lovemaking possible.

Jordan:

Yes, men written by women are better, because women know what women want, men want well even beyond that.

Nick:

It's you're, you're taking a character and of course, the writing is definitely going to help, but you're envisioning like the most attractive person and you're like to your state, like, so it is bringing together this like perfect scenario where it turns you on, you know. So I mean gotta let your women pretend that you're that person. So you know when the lovemaking's happening and they're closing their eyes, don't worry about it. You look like Chris Hemsworth, okay.

Jordan:

Well, I do also have to say too, like, like there's some things that are hot in a book that are just not hot in real life too, because, like I don't know, like I'm thinking of, like well, I don't know if I would consider this like hot in a book either, but like, sometimes I can read it and I'm not, it doesn't gross me out but like spit, like sometimes it will be like spit into my mouth, like spit on it or whatnot, and like it happens it doesn't bother me, but I think I would gag if you just like spit in my mouth.

Nick:

Well there's also. There's also some things in the book where you try in real life. I know when I try in real life that just doesn't play out the same. It almost can land you in jail. So so you gotta be really careful how you you know, how you practice these things.

Jordan:

Safe sex is good sex.

Nick:

Yep. One hand on throat, not two, just one, gentlemen, for any of those that are listening. One is sexy, two is a felony.

Jordan:

I mean, you're not wrong. Okay, what would you say to guys if they want to become better with women? Do you think are better in the bedroom? Do you think that they should read a romance book, or read multiple romance books to like learn the ways?

Nick:

You're treating me like I'm like the King know-it-all of of how to be the best. I mean, listen, I just open mind, have an open mind. Um, again, not to sound redundant, but listen to your woman, don't be insecure, don't be threatened, don't be hurt when she's asking you to maybe try something or do something a little faster or slower, or maybe you just have the open communication. I think that is what's really going to make your relationship and your romance, you know, really work is to me, the biggest thing is communication because, again, I'm not I know, I know I'm not the best love maker, I mean, but at the same time, I listen to what you want or you don't want, and I'm willing to give everything a shot, at least once, almost almost everything. Nothing is going near a part of my body, so that's my one-off limits. But other than that, I'm down to give something a shot, and maybe I like it, maybe you don't, maybe you like it, maybe I don't, maybe we both like it.

Jordan:

But give it a shot, be open-minded. I really like that because I know too, like coming from like myself, and I can't speak for all women out there but I think when you try to have conversations that include anything in the bedroom, it can be really intimidating and I think it takes a lot of courage for, like, let's say, well, yeah, for me to be like, oh, I want to try this. So I think for women that are nervous to bring that up with like their partner, it can be. It can take a lot. And then for a partner to like either laugh at them or shoot them down like they're never going to bring anything else to the table.

Nick:

No, and I mean I really think it talks to the strength of your overall and the health of your overall relationship, because I would never want to say anything to you or make you feel embarrassed for asking. I never want to hurt your feelings or be malicious. So I'm not trying to compare myself at all because I get it, people have different ways of thinking. But I just I've never understood why anyone in a relationship would make that their other try to feel less of a person or make them feel bad for talking about something or bringing something up. You know it's just, you have to have that. You have to have that strong relationship, that strong bond. I think that comes first. Relationship, that strong bond, I think that comes first and if you have that, then I think it's easier to make the bedroom stuff work.

Jordan:

Oh yeah, I agree with that. And then, too, I also want to make note that and I know I already know how you feel because this is like what we have, like we already do but I think, when it comes to the bedroom and being in the bedroom and trying new things, that you need to be okay with like laughing, because, like I know, some people don't like laughing in the bedroom and I know if when we try things, clearly things don't work out and they tend to be funny because what else are you going to do? And I think that's okay.

Nick:

Yeah, we're laughing a lot. It doesn't really call for laughing, but it is sometimes. It's just funny, you just got to laugh at it.

Jordan:

No, exactly, and I think that's like one of those things that it's there's like and I understand that maybe not everybody is like that, but I think if you can laugh and then it turns back into like being something hot, and then you laugh.

Nick:

I mean, if people ever walk by our bedroom when we're getting busy, they must be like they're watching one hell of a comedy. Knock, knock, knock. Hey, what are you watching in there? Nothing.

Jordan:

We're busy. What are you watching in there? Oh, nothing. We just. You know we're busy, but I think that's like it. Just, I think it's a being a mix of like being comfortable with yourself and being comfortable with your person and communication. I feel like what you said before is like everything comes down to communication oh yeah, it's to me, you know, the biggest thing is communication.

Nick:

I can't say any more to it. It's just simple Just talk. If things aren't working whether it's you can be any facet of your relationship just talk it out and don't try not to be sensitive to what the other person's trying to tell you, and just make sure everyone you're on the same page and sometimes you're not, and that's okay too, and then kind of work through that stuff and or you don't, and maybe you guys don't belong together. But I mean you have to get to that point too to realize, if you don't belong together, so communication, uh, will help, um Help. Lack of communication will just push you farther away. So you really have no chance at a healthy, successful relationship if you're not talking.

Jordan:

Ditto. Okay, so I have some like questions. Okay, they're not questions per se, but it's things that I wrote down, that it's like for me. What would I pick Paperback?

Nick:

or hardcover Hardcover, Ooh, no, I mean well. Or hardcover Hardcover, Ooh, no, I mean well. It's just a trick question. To read paperback, because you know, obviously, but to collect hardcover.

Jordan:

Okay, yep, yep, you're right. You're right Because I was going to say, but I think I put it in myself like reading so okay, insta love or slow burn, oh, slow burn, oh, slow burn. Yes, the slow burns are where it's at. I mean kudos to everybody that likes a insta love, but like, don't you get bored. Like I like a slow burn, I need the tension, I want it to build I'm an enemy celebrity guys too.

Nick:

Yeah, oh, love that. First fight you feel me?

Jordan:

uh-, uh-huh, uh-huh, oh my God. Okay, wait, can you give me top three tropes? And enemies to lovers is a trope, so that can be one of yours. So then, what are your other two? I?

Nick:

don't even know the names. Enemy to lovers is one. I like ones where, like, the guy is someone, whether he's rich or whether he's just powerful, he holds a position of power, but the girl doesn't know it and doesn't find out to the very end. So, like a secret identity, yeah, secret identity. Or yeah, that's like my, probably number one. I mean, I'm sucked into. I'm a big movie guy, so I'm sucked into every any movie like that, um and yeah then, um, father, daughter no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Jordan:

That was a joke. I was like so caught off guard.

Nick:

I would say, the other ones is, um uh, best friends too. I kind of like the best friends.

Jordan:

You seem like a best friend to lovers, girly.

Nick:

I mean, and then this is what happens when the relationship gets too comfortable I become, you know, a girly best friend, not a sexual being. Oh, we'll just go in the bedroom for that Fair.

Jordan:

No, but like you're, like one of the bookies now Bookie.

Nick:

Oh, book boys yeah, bookie yeah. I've had plenty of them. Chase me. Well, yeah, now bookie. Oh, your book boys, yeah bookie.

Jordan:

Yeah, thank you, I've had plenty of them. Chase me well, yeah, because I was actually also going to say too like you're like the like boyfriends of bookstagram, because you just take pictures of me with my books so I can post it on instagram, yep yep I uh, I've become quite the amateur photographer. Very good though.

Nick:

All your angles.

Jordan:

That one picture from the 4th of July. That is amazing. You freaking nailed it. Yes, you did. You understood the assignment and you nailed that picture for me.

Nick:

Thank you, I tried my hardest.

Jordan:

And you succeeded. Okay, I only have two more Long series, or stand-ones for you. Um who, I'm gonna say, a standalone honestly didn't know the answer to this myself I mean you have plenty of long.

Nick:

All right, let me back up, let me reset. If it's a good long series, you know it's, it's. Sometimes you know book one is great and then it was kind of right, um, but I mean I maybe that's kind of a cop-out because it's really hard to find. I think if you have a long series, like every book to be firing on all cylinders, um, but no, like a one and done a good front to back, I mean, listen, I'm, I'm talking like I read hundreds of books. I've read two books in 12 years, people, but I am one hell of a movie guy. So I kind of like relate it to that. Like, do I like a good TV show with like four, five, six, seven plus seasons? Or do I like like a good two hour drama? Yeah, like a good again movie guy. So a good movie, two hourhour movie, that just kills it. You have a beginning, you have an end, you're satisfied, hopefully Again with the series, the shows.

Jordan:

Sometimes they just drag on and they're trying too hard, yeah, and then we fall off on watching it.

Nick:

Yeah, there's plenty of shows we've fallen off on watching, but let's get back to books. Okay, yeah, so I'm going to stick with my original answer.

Jordan:

I agree with you. Lately I've been more on the standalones than the longer series, but I do want to kind of get back into longer series. Okay, and then the last one was reading Inside or outside. For me, oh.

Nick:

I mean outside. Yes, we talked about this kind of a cheat because we did just talk about this the other day. How nice it's been, so beautiful up here, so beautiful, you know, on a nice summer day you feel guilty for reading or doing anything inside. So just sitting outside, being outside while you read or do anything, I think, just feels more accomplished outside.

Jordan:

Being outside while you read or do anything, I think is just feels more accomplished. I feel like my favorite days have been this Wow, I can't talk. My favorite days lately have been the Saturdays where we go to the beach really early and, honestly, it's too cold to like take off your clothes so you're like still in your clothes on the beach in the sand, no one's there and reading because the sun's like not really that bright. You can read from your book and then we just like sit there.

Nick:

I can search for a lost jewelry that, oh you know yep people have have dropped and, uh, you do your reading and I sit through the sand with my feet and, yeah, we have a wonderful day and you get a get some good reading in, and then we uh usually go get lunch and then we come back and you do some good reading in, and then we usually go get lunch and then we come back and you do some more reading.

Nick:

And it's the perfect day I'll put on golf because I'm a huge golf guy. I play, but I'm not that great, but I really enjoy watching it. And it's the perfect day, it's the perfect day. So yeah, outside, outside reading for the win.

Jordan:

Okay, well, I think that's all I have on this lovely first episode on Spill the Smut. Did you have any parting words that you wanted to give the people that are listening?

Nick:

Man, yeah, just continue smutting it.

Jordan:

Read smut.

Nick:

Read smut.

Jordan:

Also, don't read smut. Read anything you want to read.

Nick:

Right, but find your way to smut.

Jordan:

But get back to smut yeah.

Nick:

Eventually, you know, take some detours, but hopefully it brings you right back on the main road. And yeah, and I'm just glad that you asked me to be your first and your last, the first person you're interviewing. Hopefully I make the cut. Thank you so much, you're very welcome and I love you and for all the listeners out there, stay strong. I don't know what that means. All the listeners out there.

Jordan:

And stay spicy.

Nick:

Stay spicy, san Diego, it's an anchor.

Jordan:

I don't know.

Nick:

Keep reading.

Jordan:

Happy reading.